That Andy Stanley!!

LET’S MAKE A MESS

Ok, Let’s see what I can do here. I have made some messes in my life so I think I am img_8534qualified to screw this up with my opinion as well.

I was recently asked about my opinion of an on going discussion of Andy Stanley’s comments concerning the Bible, more specifically a blog response (as kind as it was) to Andy’s sermon.

“Preparation H” is not for Oral use

I think I would start with something as rare as straight up common sense. Common Sense, you remember what that was right? Maybe? Vaguely? (Your grandma can tell you what it is go ask her or another adult over 50.) If not then you are the reason they had to put “Not meant for oral use on the “Preparation H” tube; a medicine meant for your rectum (another word you may have to look up.) “Caution contents are HOT” on the HOT coffee that you just ordered because you wanted a HOT breakfast drink.

There was NO Bible

So how does this play into the Andy Stanley discussion? Common sense tells us that the Bible was canonized in one form by Marcion in circa 140ad, then the Apostolic cannon began to be common in the third century. There appears to be at least, at least 110-170 years from Jesus until anyone created a “Bible” to carry and quote from. Now, Paul’s letters were floating around, and some of the others as well. (What we call “Books” of the New Testament) But lets be honest, very, very few people had access to these writings. So the “Bible” was not the reason for salvation. It was not the cornerstone for Salvation; oral tradition was. The main point of the oral tradition was the fact they shared that God resurrected Jesus from the dead. It is a historically written fact that he was seen by the disciples, and then by more than five hundred other people. (1 Cor 15:6)

This is common sense based upon chronology and fact. People came to a salvation knowledge of Jesus as their Lord and Savior before there was ever a Bible. Period. Thousands upon thousands of people; not just a few.

Peter preached experience

Peter stands up in Acts 2 and thousands get saved after he preaches and quotes a scripture from Jewish tradition. He doesn’t expound on the Scripture, he uses it to reference what is happening in Jerusalem. Then he preaches what they experienced for 3 plus years, and people repented and got baptized.

Jesus frees the Gadarene demonic in Luke 8:26-39. When Jesus goes to leave, this man wants to be his disciple and come with him. Jesus denies the man and tells him to go home and TELL people what Jesus did for him. He didn’t “Sunday school” the man, he didn’t give him a Bible, he didn’t teach him “Seven spiritual Laws” or tell him how to do a proper exegesis of scripture. He sent him with the mission to share his story: oral tradition. People got saved, I am sure, because of this man’s testimony that God healed him through Jesus.

Common sense people.

Now that there are not people with their own first century experience with Jesus telling us their stories, I believe that God saw to it that the Bible was canonized. Canonized by men? Absolutely. Men who are broken themselves? Yes! But God is God and God can see to it that this Word is exactly what he expects, even if Balaam’s Ass had written it! (get off your high horse, that’s an Asian animal, look that up as well)

So?

So if you are asking me, I have no problem with what Pastor Stanley said in this sermon. Accepting Jesus’ words as a child does not include all of the “things” we do to split the theological hairs of the Bible. My faith is in Jesus Christ and God’s resurrection of his Son after he sacrificed himself for me. In the bread, my sins are paid for. In the blood I have been given a NEW COVENANT and welcomed back into the family. I am a child of God with or with out a written document. I do not “believe” just because the Bible says so. I believe this because it is the truth. I was “told it” before I ever “read it” for myself. I am glad God had someone record it so I can keep studying it. But if there were no Bible, I would still believe, just like the thousands upon thousands that believed before the Bible was written AND/OR canonized.

The Bible is not the problem

While I do think that we are moving quickly into a post Christian culture, I don’t see the problem affirming that I have a document (the Bible) that helps remind me of the teachings of the Christ. This is no different than any religion or government, or company bylaws that exist today. Unlike Andy Stanley, I do not believe that today’s young people are writing off the Bible (though there will always be some that need to prove every dot and every tittle), no, the detriment that is coming out of the Christian church, causing this generation to “write off” (sorry about that pun) the Bible, is the Christians lack of adherence to it themselves.

Christian people are killing the church

The Church teaches Jesus but then turns around and ignores that parts they don’t want to live and die for. The church rationalizes Jesus teachings to fit their comfort, convenience and cash. The very Christians that are crying out against Andy Stanley, are they the same ones that won’t go into missions, won’t tithe and give generously, won’t love their enemies and won’t die for the cause of Christ, instead they kill for their Bible culture. Are these the same people that read Malachi and then divorce their spouses for all the non-biblical reasons they can come up with? As if “I’m not happy” or “I deserve better than this” is why Jesus died?

When the church repents, the world will take Jesus seriously.

The resurrection supersedes the Bible. Paul’s letter to Timothy in 2Timothy 3:16 is a reference to what we today call the Old Testament. The New Testament wasn’t written people. I do believe it was prophetic though, speaking of the Bible to come.

“Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so.” I believe this. I am glad for the record. The Bible is God’s Word to us, it is consistent and allows us to “recalculate” our lives.

God raised Jesus from the dead, THAT truth is why I am a follower of Christ,  I heard it through the Bible.

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